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Let's do it. So, how does the fascia uh regulate anxiety, stress, and burnout? I mean, you know, uh help us understand how these tissues are affecting our nervous system. I know you explained about the blood and the collagen and all that, but help us understand.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

It really comes down to how we breathe because when we're breathing diaphragmatically, so um the diaphragm is a plate of muscle that's at the base of the rib cage. And when it's working properly, when we inhale, this plate moves down. When we exhale, it lifts. If we are conscious diaphragmatic breathers, this muscle is moving up and down continually in the core of the body, creating a massage-like effect to the organs and the heart and the lungs. And it's also keeping the structure of the body appropriate because if this muscle isn't working and it's weak, now we have the rib cage, the head, the arms, all of that weight, it comes crashing down into that core space. So, you know, as we get older, we often feel that we end up having more belly fat. It's not fat though, it's compression and ballooning. And if we're breathing through the muscles of the upper chest because pain, fear, and stress cause you to reactively hold the breath. So the diaphragm goes into a freeze response, but we're still going to breathe for survival. But these secondary muscles take over, these upper chest muscles.

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Welcome back to the Transform Your Mind to Transform Your Life radio, podcast, and television show. I'm your host, Life Coach Winnie Yum. And sitting in the guest year today is Deanna Henson, a fascia decompression pioneer. And Deanna and I are going to be talking today on the topic your body remembers how fascia stores trauma and how to release it. Welcome, Deanna. Thank you so much, Myrna. It's a pleasure to be here. You're very welcome. All right. So let me guys let me ask you guys a question. Have you ever felt pain in your body that just wouldn't go away, no matter what you tried, or emotions that seem to live inside of you, tightness in your chest, knots in your stomach, tension in your shoulder. What if I told you your body is not just reacting, it's remembering? Today we dive into a powerful and often overlooked system of the body, one that holds our experiences, our trauma, and even our healing potential. And it's called the fascia. And my guest today is a true pioneer in this space. So let me give you an introduction. Um, joining me today is Deanna Henson, a fascia decompression pioneer, a best selling author, and a creator of Lock Therapy, a method that helps people release pain, unlock trauma, and even reverse signs of aging by working with the body connective tissue. Deanna has over two decades of experience and is a global and has a global community of over a hundred thousand people. She's also helping the world understand that healing doesn't have to be complicated. It just has to go deep. So Deanna, let's dive in. Where to start? Yes. Awesome, awesome, awesome. All right. So I love starting at the beginning to set the table so that the guests can understand the conversation and a little bit of a background of you. Um because a lot of times our greatest purpose is born out of our deepest pain. So, and I know you have such a story. So take us back to that moment when you shared that this work began during an anxiety attack. What exactly was happening in your body at this time?

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I had just turned 30 years old, and I had been in university five years prior to become a certified athletic therapist. Here in Canada, that would be like a physiotherapist, but centering our focus on elite athletes. So I was trained in doing all of the things, the workouts, the eating plans and everything to keep a body fit. What I didn't understand is fit doesn't necessarily mean healthy. And all of the things that I was doing for my own body were actually taking me in the wrong direction. The more I was working out, the harder I was forcing my body to try to create change, the more compressed, the more ballooned, the more toxic I became. So at the age of 30, when I was about 50 pounds overweight, struggling with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, I made some changes in my life. And one of those changes actually, um, sorry, not one of those changes, those changes actually resulted in me having severe anxiety attacks. It was this one anxiety attack in particular, though, that really created the opportunity for me to open my mind to a different way of treating the body in the moment because I was so traumatized, I literally was locked away from my breath. And I thought I was gonna die because I couldn't catch my breath. So for some reason, I intuitively dove my hand into my belly. And I never touched that area because carrying all that all of that extra weight, I was ashamed of that space. I didn't let anybody else touch it, and I certainly didn't want to actually touch it at all. I was ashamed of it. So now here I am, diving my hand in there. But the first thing I encountered was pain. But it was a good thing because in the moment it brought me back into my body and I was aware, okay, I am breathing. I'm I'm gonna live. So for some reason, I intuitively began exploring with my hands in that tissue. Now, prior to that, as an athletic therapist, I focused on deep tissue work. So I had a really good understanding of what scar tissue felt like in other people's bodies. But now I'm in this space and it felt like it was marbled with scar tissue, even though I hadn't had any injury or surgery in that area. And suddenly I was having these understandings that no wonder when I'm coming home from a workout or from a run and I'm dripping wet with sweat, my belly would still feel cold. So now I'm recognizing I'm not getting energy into this area to metabolize it. So I spent about 30, 45 minutes the first evening working in that space. And what was so profound for me was how relaxed and calm I felt. I woke up the next day a little tender from the work I did, but I still had that sense of being in my body and feeling hopeful. That night I went back and I did another treatment on myself. And after I stood up, I felt taller and I went and I looked at myself in the mirror and my belly was flatter than it had looked in years. And I mean, I was working out really hard, doing all of the things. And now, in two days of this simple action, things were changing. So now this became my daily habit. And within two weeks, my chronic back pain was going away, my neck pain was improving. But most importantly, my outlook on life had changed. I was hopeful now that I actually had some kind of control within myself to create positive change. And at that time, I started working on my patients in a very similar manner to what I was doing on myself. And it wasn't long before I was attracting other therapists that wanted to learn what I was doing. And so that was 25 years ago and where it all began.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Wow, that is a great story. I couldn't help circling back in your story to a couple of other um a book that I read with David Goggins when he talked about, he didn't really talk about fascia, but he was uh he's an extreme elite athlete. And all of a sudden, at one point in time, he couldn't walk, he was bedridden, and um he had to stretch in order to get out of that. And I know we're gonna be talking about that in a minute. But then um one of my, you know, one of my famous guests that I should say, he was a Navy SEAL, and he's been on the show a couple of times, and um he was talking about um uh the fact that he was uh continuing to live as like a navy SEAL and his body stored all that tension, just like you're saying. It's you know, yeah, he told himself to push through. Okay, you know what I mean? Like David Goggins says, Stay hard. Push yourself, you know, stay hard. So he was living in that Navy SEAL space, and and yeah, it kind of broke his body. So that's basically the same thing that you're saying, that you are that you were running your fit and all that, but um uh, you know, you're holding your trauma in your like uh I mean one of my guests actually said he coined this phrase, he owns it, he says, your issues are in your tissues. So you were holding your issues and your tissues now um in your work. I know you were talking about manipulating uh the an en hands therapy and um what whatever you're doing to clear that, but did you go back into the emotional to see what exactly you were storing there? Where are the issues that you're storing there? Did you go into that?

SPEAKER_02 9:37

I've learned that the issues are stored everywhere because um I've actually created a concept called TIP. Trauma induces programming and patterning. So what happens to our breath? Actually, if I may just back up and talk a little bit about fascia, so I sort of lay the foundation as to what goes on in the body. So the way I see fascia is it's literally the cell membrane of every cell connected to every other cell. So it's the communication system in the body, and it's comprised of a number of uh material, but two major proteins, collagen and elastin. When these proteins are in balance, our cells are positioned where they're supposed to be. So there's optimal space in and around every cell. As long as there's space, there's ease of flow of nutrients in, as well as the removal of debris and toxins. However, that's not the reality. We are constantly under the influence of gravity. We're getting pulled down toward the earth and we're not, and we're dominant on one side, so we don't just compress linearly. We literally spiral down. And it's dependent on how we use our bodies every day, all day. Are we sitting in front of a computer slumped over for multiple hours a day, or are we doing physical labor? Do we play a sport or instrument? Um, are we in a stressful environment most of the time, or are we actually quite calm and in a healthy space? So all of these things add up to create the current scenario. And what's happening with that balance of those proteins, it's the collagen protein that will migrate to areas of need because it's the structural protein to stop us from tipping over. So if you notice most people standing, um, 70% of the population are right-handed. Most people will tip over to their left side to keep that right side free for action. So now we're no longer standing in a symmetrical way. And over our lifetime, we start to pattern out and fall out of alignment. And that's that begins with trauma, because when there's trauma, we reactively hold the breath. And as soon as we reactively hold the breath, if unlike a deer who survives an attack and will shake to release that negative energy, we hold and then we age from that perspective going forward. And because, again, we don't just compress in the rib cage linearly, we get twisted. And now, because we're off balance, the body has to adapt so that we don't tip over. And that's where that collagen, that structural protein will migrate to areas of need, creating what basically is scar tissue, blockages to flow. And it's starting to impact the space in and around the cells. So now cells are not getting properly fed and they're not getting clean. And then we age from that perspective. So if we had trauma when we were one year old, two years old, or in our younger years, as we're going through that developmental phase, it can relate to some pretty intense issues down the road, autoimmune issues, other things. If trauma happens when we're fully grown, I mean trauma happens every day and all day to all of us. I mean, really, whether they're big traumas or little traumas, just watching the news is traumatizing. So we're all impacted. But it really comes down to how we unconsciously respond to the stress with the breath, and then how the body patterns to keep upright. So we create these grooves in the fascia. And that's where working out really hard can really be detrimental because now you're strengthening your body on purpose within the ranges that you're playing in. Instead of utilizing the body's ability to have optimal ranges of motion in all of the joints that are available to us, we end up patterning. So over time we become shorter and wider and more toxic as a result.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

All right.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

So um I'm just thinking now, what was the question that I we asked?

SPEAKER_01 13:26

I know, right, exactly. I I said, Did you identify what trauma you were holding in your stuff, in your belly?

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Oh, many, many. And that that was that was what I was getting to. Yeah. I remember very specifically a trauma I had at two years old. But, you know, from that point going forward, like I have so many because I mean, you can have um, you know, a friend just even even those unconscious comments about something can be triggers if you're susceptible to them. You know, siblings can be triggers, parents, like everything in our life. And then you have the physical injuries. I mean, I had many falls. I had a really significant burn on the um arch of my foot when I was three that impacted how I walked. And then another major injury on my pubic bone at the age of seven. So again, when these injuries happen as we're still developing, they impact the body in such a different way than once we're fully developed. So, I mean, they they go on and on. I have many as we all. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Well, yeah, because um uh, you know, I know that where I was getting with the question was that you know, a lot of times you've got to understand the the root cause of something and then you go to heal it. So um, and I wasn't, I I think I mentioned to you before we started recording that um that I knew a lot about fascia, um, but I was never aware that it's in your belly. I thought it was only around like your joints. So I, you know, um right now I have some knee pain right now, and I'm thinking, okay, you know, how um how I'm going to um, you know, fix that. Um and I, you know, I've been using the rollers um uh as part, you know, releasing my fascia. But I will, you can't use rollers in your stomach. So um so you're doing um massages. Is that part of the work?

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Uh I I have uh so the technique that I developed I call fluid isometrics that I teach other therapists to do on patients. But more importantly, I have a program called block therapy, which is the self-care version of fluid isometrics. And it's a very different approach than rolling on the surface because literally every single cell in the body is innervated by fascia. So whether it's muscle tissue, nerve fibers, blood vessels, the organs, everything is fascia. And if we want to actually get to the root of the issue, we need to go all the way to the bone because when those collagen proteins start to migrate, they will grip and adhere to everything in their path, including bone, with a force of up to 2,000 pounds per square inch locking us in those patterns. And then that is what's really creating that imbalance in the body. So we start to wear and tear but in the joints. That cartilage in the knee, if we don't have proper alignment in the feet, now the knee joint isn't properly aligned. And as you're moving, you're starting to wear down that cartilage, creating inflammation, which is creating your pain. So we need to be able to get to all of the cells in the body through a process, which we do with block therapy. And the reason it's so impactful, there's a few reasons actually. One of them is the tools are actually made of wood, and bone and wood are similar in density. So if we want to be able to melt through those layers of fascia to get to the adhesions, to heat them, to melt them so we can keep moving deeper, we need something similar in density to bone where everything is rooted. And also we don't rub on the surface, we're not moving in the position. We are planting our body, relying on the tool. We're planting it in all parts of the body. And then very slowly we teach you how to shear through the layers with your breath being your guide. So there's three parts to the work that I teach. Creating the space in the body that time has taken away. We get shorter and wider as we age. So now we're putting the space back, so we're going backward through time in our tissue, inflating that space by teaching proper diaphragmatic breathing and really making the exhalation phase of the breath more of the focus so that we can increase the carbon dioxide in the blood, which is necessary for the oxygen to jump from the hemoglobin into the cell, which is where we want it to be. And then the third pillar is maintaining that space. So teaching people how to use their body appropriately in a balanced way so that we don't continue to fall into those negative patterns that really created the majority of our issues in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

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SPEAKER_02 20:27

You'll you'll you'll get improvement, but it's more surface. Like if you're rolling, it's kind of like taking a boat on the ocean compared to deep sea diving. We want to go deep sea diving because again, our issues are rooted at the bone.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Okay. That's good information. Awesome. Awesome. Wow. You live in your learn every day, right? So I like the work that you're doing. You're obviously going deeper than you know, stretching and rolling and things like that. Amazing. All right. So um uh one of the questions I have here is um how does emotional trauma um uh affect or interact with our nervous system? I'm I'm doing a lot of work right now in the nervous system. Um uh me personally, um, you know, I um I meditate with the vagus nerve almost every day because I know that's impacting my nervous system. So um so how does the fascia uh regulate anxiety, stress, and burnout? I mean, you know, uh help us understand how these tissues are affecting our nervous system. I know you explained about the the blood and the the collagen and all that, but help us understand.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

It really comes down to how we breathe because when we're breathing diaphragmatically, so um the diaphragm is a plate of muscle that's at the base of the rib cage. And when it's working properly, when we inhale, this plate moves down. When we exhale, it lifts. If we are conscious diaphragmatic breathers, this muscle is moving up and down continuously. Continually in the core of the body, creating a massage-like effect to the organs and the heart and the lungs. And it's also keeping the structure of the body appropriate because if this muscle isn't working and it's weak, now we have the rib cage, the head, the arms, all of that weight, it comes crashing down into that core space. So, you know, as we get older, we often feel that we end up having more belly fat. It's not fat though, it's compression and ballooning. And if we're breathing through the muscles of the upper chest because pain, fear, and stress cause you to reactively hold the breath. So the diaphragm goes into a freeze response, but we're still going to breathe for survival. But these secondary muscles take over, these upper chest muscles, they keep us in a frequency of fear, a stress frequency in the brain. Only when we're breathing diaphragmatically are we really turning on the parasympathetic nervous system and activating the vagus nerve so that we can keep the body in that healing mode, which it needs to be for us to be able to heal appropriately. So the thing with the fascia is as we continue to hold the breath and then age and pattern from that perspective, the limbs, your hands, your feet, the top of your head, the three furthest areas from your engine, your diaphragm, this is where those adhesions will grip and adhere to bone with the greatest force. So let's say you have a frozen shoulder and you go and you get your shoulder worked on, but you start walking into the pattern that you have, your gait is going to pull you out of alignment, impacting that shoulder. So all of the treatments that you're getting, unless you're looking at the full body's alignment, will be to manage pain as opposed to getting to the root of the problem and moving through the pain. So that's where we really need to be understanding that because every single cell is interconnected, your limbs really dictate the alignment of your core. So even people with scoliosis or a kyphosis, that's being held by the limbs. If we're having that collapsing and we have inguinal hernias or hiatal hernias or prolapses, that's also coming from what's going above and below that core area. So that's where we really need to understand the body as a whole. And we make it really simple with our program to release the patterns that we currently have to connect to that proper diaphragmatic breath, to melt through those adhesions and move blood and oxygen into spaces previously blocked so we can regenerate cells that haven't been really functioning for us.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Wow. Yeah. Well, I know that the breath is is fundamental to a lot of things. Um and, you know, I I don't remember what were one of the the more recent um things that I remember about what the breath is doing. I don't I can't bring it to memory right now. But I I know that, like I said, you know, mentioned um diaphragmatic breathing. And because a lot of us breathe, you know, through our chest. And once we are, you know, feeling the belly move up, diaphragmatic breathing, then we right. Actually, um, I just remembered where um where where I saw that. My very next interview um is a gentleman talking about stress, and he's got uh something that he's called SMB, which is the this stress method or whatever he's calling it, but but that's how he's releasing the stress. Same thing that you're talking about here. But yeah, the breath is um uh is fundamental to uh um relaxation and and you're right, getting into the parasympathetic um uh nervous system. So um so let's say someone is listening right now. Let's say let's say let's say right let's say somebody is listening right now and they're in a a stress. Um uh you you had a good example of uh you're running and you're exercising, which should bring you uh relaxation, but you know, you've you're you're holding uh stress in your tummy and you feel this nervous energy. Now they're saying that nervous energy is good, like if you're going to go in an interview or you're gonna meet someone new, nervous energy is good. But once you're relaxed, it shouldn't be there. So, what is something that you can tell our listeners that they can practice on a daily basis to try to start to release this stress, you know, um either by the breath or some other movements?

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Uh we have a free gift we can offer your listeners, a nine-part series where instead of using the block, we have a roll, we teach you how to use a rolled up towel. It's very efficient because you can roll it up really nice and densely, and that's the key. And then we teach you, first of all, how to lie on the belly on the towel and teach you where the breath should come from. If you've been breathing chronically through the upper chest muscles, it's not just a quick turnaround because even the rib cage stores those adhesions and is locking the diaphragm from functioning fully. So even if you just do some breathing exercise, you're only allowing whatever availability you have of the diaphragm to do the work for you. With our work, we make more of that muscle available so that you can really get into deep healing. We feed the body up to six times 600% more oxygen when breathing diaphragmatically. They've also proven 84% of weight loss comes through proper exhalation. So if we have a restricted diaphragm, we're limiting our cells' ability to be properly fed as well as properly cleaned. And that's what's really storing that size, that density in the body that's creating pain and tensions and all of the issues that we're really dealing with. So happy to share that gift with people and they can dive in and try it right away. And in the nine classes, you get a bit of a sense of that full body connection. And we even teach you some of those um proper postural foundations so that you can really take that third pillar, which is again owning that correct alignment and you can go forward with that as an understanding.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Oh wow, I like that. Awesome, right? Well, I will um have uh you know a link to Deanna's gift in the show notes so that you guys can go pick that up. But yeah, um, so that's amazing. I like what you said though, that even though we think that we're reading deeply, right? Um, it all depends on uh you're right, the capacity. Whether you have like I was I was looking at um Instagram there today, and there is this guy that was feminine movie and he was underwater for like three minutes. I mean, I didn't even I mean, I sat there trying to see when he's gonna bubble up and it was two minutes past, and I says I gotta move on. But but uh that's capacity, that's what he's built. So um I'm glad that you're you're saying that even though that we think that we're breeding deeply, we're not really getting the whole amount that we can. So that's pretty good. Um and and I also I also you know like what you're saying about the fact that if we can go deeper and um uh put more oxygen in our you know, blood and you know, vessels and all that kind of stuff, then it's starting to do the work and do the healing. So thank you for the gift so that um uh you know listeners can um use a towel, right? And um, you know, instead of um you know, if they if they want to try something first before they go on to your program. All right. So um how does burnout and stress fit into that? You talked that we talked about trauma, um, but you know, there's some other facets of getting uh issues in our tissues and everywhere, like you said, it's not just in our tissues. So uh let's talk about stress and burnout. How does that get into our tissues?

SPEAKER_02 30:14

Uh same way. It's it's it's the trauma response, right? Because any any stress is really a trauma. Um anytime we're impacted by something negative, it's that body's. I mean, you walk into a room where you feel people fighting and you contract. You know, you get a little tense because we're trying to protect that vulnerable inside. So as we contract, then we are essentially supporting ourselves from going into fight or flight. But again, if we don't release, then we're stuck in fight or flight, which is where everybody's stuck in. Um, we should be in parasympathetic 80% of our day. The average person is in sympathetic 100% of their day, even when they're sleeping. So we're never rejuvenating, we're never going into that restful place so that we can repair the damage of the day. And then that damage continues to build up, which creates burnout. Um, you know, if we're in fight or flight 24-7, our adrenal glands are shut down. We can't respond to the natural emergencies and dangers when they are appropriate to respond to. If we're breathing diaphragmatically, then we are living in the moment and we see each moment as a unique expression of itself. So when there's actual danger, our bodies can respond appropriately. But if we're always breathing in that stress response, even amongst um relaxed, non-invasive moments, the internal body is in stress danger mode. So it's always responding like there's danger that's imminent. And again, we only have so much capacity to do that day after day after day forever. So we go into burnout mode as a result of that. And it's because we're simply not breathing. So every time that we don't take that full exhale, all of the stuff, the burden, the toxins, whether emotional, physical, mental, they build and build and build and build within the body. And that's really what we're all dealing with. And we have to learn how to exhale properly, but we have to release the patterning of the limbs in order to access the diaphragm fully and completely to be able to move the past out of the body so we can be present for the moment in our future.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

You know, we're always I personally always thinking that the inhale was important because you're bringing in life, right? You're bringing in that energy. And then when you exhale, you're getting rid of uh what's in the body. But you know, I I always focus on the inhale, but I see what you're talking about now because I know that uh when we're doing, you know, like for instance, I do a lot of box breeding, which is four, four, and six. So the six is um the exhale. And what you what I'm doing when I'm doing that is um uh releasing uh the stress from the body. But now you're saying that that is also releasing uh, you know, the toxins or whatever it is that we want to get out of ourselves. Now I only do this if I'm meditating. So in your program, are you teaching people to be conscious of their breath 24-7 or at least 12 hours when they're up? Or do they just do it for five minutes, 15 minutes?

SPEAKER_02 33:24

How do you do a work that it's how we were born to breathe, but we've lost it over time because pain, fear, and stress cause you to reactively hold the breath. So our habits change to be these unconscious upper chest breathers when the diaphragm is. I mean, God gave us this, you know, this container for our soul to like live in. Um, but we need to appropriately work this container, just like you wouldn't put a three-year-old to drive a Ferrari, right? You'd want to make sure that the person that's going to drive that beautiful, expensive car knows how to drive it properly, but we weren't given instructions. So diaphragmatic breathing is the most natural thing for us to do, but we have fallen so far out of balance that we need some support to get back. It took me two years, and this was at the beginning before I really had a system in place to make it really simple for people. It took me two years to become an unconscious, conscious breather.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Well, yeah, well, that's what the question is, because you only we're all unconsciously breeding. And the only time we remember to breathe is if we're saying, you know, if we're conscious, like if we're meditating or um uh, you know, conscious of our breath, but 95, 99% of the time, we're not conscious breeders. So you're saying that, you know, to answer that question, um, if someone were to remember 5% of the time and 95% of the time, they're still doing uh their unconscious breath is is is shallow, right? Um is this gonna work or they've got to remember to every breath, which is how many breaths do we take a day? It's gotta be a lot.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

I'm sure it's a lot. I mean, really, we should take far less than people do because people are breathing way too shallow, way too rapid. We need to slow that breath down and focus on the exhale. When you do this practice and you release the rib cage and you start accessing more of the diaphragm, you start to be, you start to awaken, you start to become aware. My community are very much conscious breathers now. Um, and I mean everybody's starting at a different point. So depending on, again, when your trauma happened, like when that initial really huge impact was, again, if you were young, it might take a lot longer to find its way in than if it was something that happened when you were older. Um, and again, depending on so many different things, but it's the most natural thing for us to do. We just have to give ourselves a little bit of time and discipline. Three weeks is all it really takes to create a habit. So I'm not saying in three weeks people will be unconscious, conscious breathers, but you're gonna start to become aware when you're not breathing consciously because your body wants to be right, it wants to be working appropriately. And the more you can make it a habit, then the more your body lets you know. So, I mean, I don't always stand or sit perfectly aligned, but now if I start to slouch, my body lets me know that, hey, sit upright again, bring bring that space and integrity back into your posture because it doesn't feel good to be compressed. I feel the heaviness, the weight when I'm off balance and what that means. So it's it's a very intuitive practice and it it becomes a lifestyle. And most of my community are, you know, they call themselves blockaholics. They just love it because it's simple to do. You do it lying down. It's a very slow-moving, lovely, profound practice with so many benefits, and you're the one in control. Nobody's doing this to you. You're doing it for yourself. So you're in the in full control of what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

Yeah, I like that. It's just like, you know, if you if you're a walker, if you're a runner, if you're whatever it is that you do on a with weights, whatever you do on a regular basis, when you when you don't do it, your body lets you know that, hey, you know, it's missing something. So it's good to develop good habits because people can also do it with bad habits. They can do it with a cigarette or whatever. So I like the fact that yes, if you are out of alignment or out of position or not breathing deep enough, immediately your body senses it and pulls you back in. Beautiful, beautiful. All right. So uh you know, we're talking a lot about deep work here, but if we were to bring it down to the basics, let's say that what are some of the signs that your body or fascia is holding on to unresolved trauma? Like the for instance, the the Navy SEAL guy that's been on the show a couple of times, you know, was telling me that he can tell what my issue is. I'm not sure if if we're using trauma, but he can tell what my issue is, because it's tagging with issues in your tissues, by let's say my knee is hurting or I'm limping on my left foot, or um, all right, I think at the time I had a planar physiciatis or whatever. And he asked me, what foot is hurting? And he says, you can tell by you know what foot is hurting, what my issues are. So do you do that or that's superficial?

SPEAKER_02 38:23

And let's say I do that too. I I read body, I I teach my therapists as well how to read based on the patterning of the fascia, on bringing when you know what the body should be like when it's in balance. We should have 60% of our body weight on our heels. We should have equal weight on both feet. Most people have one foot that acts like a driver, um, driving away from the body, pulling you off balance. The other side anchors. So I teach people how to see where the cause sites are to the issues based on the patterning of the fascia.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

Okay, so explain that a little so that everybody can understand what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

So if I were to if I were to see a picture of you standing, right? Um, that that's how I that whenever I'm doing assessments, I always get people to send me full body photos of them standing. And the first thing I'm gonna look at is the feet, because the feet anchor the rest of the body, this is where the fascia grips and adheres most strongly. So because we're dominant on one side and we start using that side more, let's call it the right foot, because that for the most part is always what it is. It's like it's like a flat tire. So if you had that right front tire flat on your car, now the wheel starts pulling into that. If that doesn't get addressed, you're gonna start to have wear and tear in other parts of the car. If you go fix those areas without pumping up the tire, it's gonna still continue to be a problem. Because we're unconsciously designed to keep upright as the body starts pulling off balance, the opposite side anchors and it creates a twisting up the chain. And that's where we get those collagen proteins migrating to areas of need to stop us from tipping over, but that blocks flow. And again, as they continue to build up over time, the areas become very dense and where there's dense tissue. Like if you were to palpate your calf muscle, when it's relaxed, it should be soft. It should not be hard. Most people's calves, if you just touch them when they're relaxed, they're like concrete. Not everybody's, but most people's are because they have blocked their flow because they're not breathing properly. Your diaphragm is your body's engine. You can even think of it as your body's furnace. I live in Winnipeg where it can be minus 40 in the winter time. I can have the most amazing stuff inside my home. But if my window breaks and I don't have an ability to fix it, I will die because I will freeze to death. Because if we don't have the ability to heat ourselves, we don't have flow. We turn to ice, we we become frozen essentially. Your diaphragm is your body's furnace to heat your entire body. The upper chest muscles are like a space heater. So if I have a space heater in one room in my building, I can only heat one room. Turn the building's furnace on, you heat the whole building. We need to turn on the diaphragm to be able to move the blood and oxygen, the fluids, the energy to all of the cells, as well as remove the toxins most effectively through that proper exhale. And if we're not exhaling fully, we're building up accumulated stress, toxins, negative emotion that all becomes sticky and gluey. And wherever the body doesn't have that freedom of movement, now we have a blockage to flow. And if a body does not flow with ease, there will be dis-ease in the body. And it in the initial moments, it might simply be a pain trigger. If that gets ignored and masked, like we teach people, like, oh, don't move it, don't move. Um, take something to mask it, it's going to continue to build up silently inside until you can't not hear it. Right. So that's where disease down the road becomes something that people are labeled with. But it's only because there's lack of flow. So nothing in my view, nothing in the body is permanent unless we've had surgical interventions where they've done something to us, then potentially we can't undo certain things. But for the most part, if we know how to address the fascia and get back to proper breathing, we can reset and restore our body and our nervous system. Um very much so. I won't say completely, because you know, life is life. And we're also dealing with the daily triggers and the daily toxins and the daily stresses, but we can certainly change the game and how we view aging.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Yeah, like or plan, plan, let's how you say that thing plan to fasciitis. So we so if let's say that I came to you and I had, you know, uh um pain in my left foot, and um, I guess when I stand, I will be leaning towards my right because I'm trying to balance it out. Then you would tell me to do this block therapy to release it. Yes.

unknown 42:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Yes, we're just you're you know, just putting some you know and you can start with that nine-day free trial that or uh sampler program that we're we're gifting because that that's gonna give you a ton of feedback and understanding of this work and how incredibly profound it is. And in that nine-day sampler program with the towel, people have had incredible healings from that alone. So that's the nice thing. You can try it and see if this resonates with you. And um if it does and you want to go those further steps, then wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

I like it. Well, I don't have plant of physiitis anymore. Um, I'm a walker and I'm a I assumed that that's because I was walking all the time that is what that came from, but I still walk and I don't have it anymore. So obviously, maybe I'm breeding right or I'm doing something. But yeah, I would definitely like to um uh try your program because yeah, I know that I'm not a conscious breeder. I mean, I only consciously breed if I'm doing meditation or I remember.

unknown 43:59

And I

SPEAKER_01 44:00

remember, but I am I I know that I'm not a conscious breeder. So I would love to um you know uh yeah do your um that's and then you're right you don't have to go buy any I I I went out and bought foam rollers after I um interviewed my last guest on the Fascia. Um awesome all right so I know you told us about your block therapy work earlier in the conversation but this is a time that you can you know fully explain it and how it helped to release pain and unlock trauma and then you can also um tell our listeners how they can connect with you um I know that I'll put the the free gift on the show notes but I'm pretty sure it's on your website to talk about your website talk about your um your social media handles how people can connect with you after this conversation.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Blocktherapy.com is my website and I have multiple videos on my YouTube channel Block Therapy as well. Tons and tons of uh demonstration using a rolled up towel showcasing our blocks and how they work um I have a private Facebook community that I love directing people to called Block Therapy Community with over 25,000 members. I love directing people there because I have two moderators that handle the questions but also you're gonna have people within the community answering. So if somebody has fibromyalgia and asks a question about that you're gonna have people with fibromyalgia using Block Therapy to manage their issues and their symptoms that will share and support you. So it's a beautiful community so instead of just Deanna saying oh this works for all these things you can go there and you can hear from real people and you can get become part of those conversations. So between um the website Blocktherapy.com and that Facebook community those are the two best places I would say to direct people to and the YouTube channel we're also on Instagram though um as well and maybe Block Therapy yeah okay all right so everywhere is Block Therapy.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

So I love that all right well yeah I I mean I think that's a great idea about the group because you know people yeah it's it's not only good for let's say someone comes in with a new problem and someone in the group has had the problem and they help um but it's you know it's it's community is always good when you're sharing and you're you recognize that you're not the only one with this issue and yes you've got the moderators that are helping but that's a great great idea and um right awesome awesome awesome well I will have links to um to Deanna's website on the show page which is on which is myhelps.us and I would also um uh collaborate with you in YouTube Deanna so look out for that when I post a video um of our conversation so we can collaborate with you um yeah and um yeah I'll join your Facebook group too because you know I don't have planner physiitis but I still have knee pain so we gotta figure out what's going on there. So amazing we we we know we we can help you through it.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

You can help me with my knee pain right um if if you have a moment I have a video called Life Starts in the feet if you go onto YouTube and watch that there's some exercises that I showcase in there where uh that will make the difference for you Life starts life starts in the feet okay oh in the feet yes all right thank you I appreciate that all right well listen um transformers today's conversation is a reminder that your body is not broken it's speaking to you and when it speaks you should listen also maybe the pain the tension the discomfort it's not something to fight but it's something to understand healing doesn't always come from doing more in fact you shouldn't do more you know you shouldn't just push through it right because you're you're compounding the problem sometimes it comes from going deeper listening closer and reconnecting with the wisdom that's within your body so if this episode resonated with you be sure to share it with someone who needs to hear this message there's lots of people that are dealing with pain there's lots of people that don't breed consciously yeah I think Deanna said almost 100% of us don't breed consciously so I mean there's a lot of people that you can share this episode with um uh so yes um share it consciousness awareness that's the first step in any transformation so Deanna as we wrap up do you have any um last words of encouragement for our listeners doesn't matter where you're starting from it doesn't matter the age your condition if you're an elite athlete if you've been bedridden this work is done lying down you can do it in a bed it's very accessible to everybody and we have such again a beautiful community that if you're frustrated and you're feeling you need some further assistance I think you'll find it here awesome awesome awesome good encouragement yes I like that you don't have to be an elite athlete you can lay on the towel and breathe that's what you're doing has to work I like that and I will definitely try that I will definitely uh go and um and try that all right guys transformers that's it for today remember that um uh transformation starts in the mind but it lives in the body Deanna thanks for being on the show thank you guys for tuning in and until next time thank you Mana you're welcome