SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome back to another episode of the Transform Your Mind Podcast. I'm your host, Life Coach Mernia. And today we're talking about something every one of us needs, but few of us ever thought, and that is emotional resilience. Life doesn't come without pain, disappointment, anxiety, or unexpected setbacks. The question isn't whether we'll experience difficult seasons. The question is how do we come through them stronger instead of broken? My guest today is Jairi Davis James. Jones, sorry, a licensed professional counselor, national certified counselor, entrepreneur, speaker, author, and founder of Cherry Blossom Healing. For more than a decade, she's helped individuals, families, and children improve their emotional well-being and discover practical pathways towards healing. So if you've ever wondered how to better manage stress, support your children emotionally, or build resilience that lasts, this conversation is for you. Welcome, Jari. Hello, hello. Thank you for having me. You're very welcome. You're very welcome. I feel like I'm at a party with that name. It's a beautiful name.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

You are welcome. All right. So I want to start off by setting the table to understand your work a little. Um, your counseling practice is named Cherry Blossom Healing after your grandmother. Tell us that story and why it was important to honor her in this way.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Oh, yes, absolutely. Oh, I love that. So my practice is named after my grandma. Her name is actually Cherry. So my grandmother raised me from about four years old until uh I was 12, I would say for the rest of my life, right? They never stopped raising you.

unknown 2:01

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Um and so prior to me, you know, she had watched me go through all of my educational experiences and she had been supportive. And and so after um after I graduated, my grandmother passed away. And so before I opened my practice, um, I just thought, what a way to honor her and have her live on through something that she poured and invested into, right? My education, my growth, who I am. And so, what better way to honor her than to make her be a part of my practice? Every time someone calls, they say her name. And in my logo, there's actually uh a cardinal uh bird of her. Both her and my aunt passed away before I opened the practice. So you'll see two cardinals there that represents two of them. And so it's really just to honor her name and to have her live on through all of the things that I've accomplished.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Well, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. And then, of course, it's a beautiful name because you know, her name was cherry, but cherry blossoms is a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yeah, so that's part two, right? So cherry blossoms, um, the meaning of cherry blossoms, right, is that life is precious, that is short, and that we should make sure that we stay present and continue living it, right? And so it is just a beautiful thing. And the two of those combined, just every single time makes my heart warm.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Yeah, that's actually very good because right, the cherry blossoms only bloom for two weeks, right? So, you know, you've got to be present, you've got, you know, you don't you can't say, Oh, they're gonna be there forever. You've got your yeah, I have gone while it's there. Yeah, I have gone to um uh DC to see the cherry blossoms, and they're beautiful. Yeah, and uh, there's one time I was uh watching the 15 most beautiful places to go in the world, and they had one of them was seeing the cherry blossoms in Japan or something.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

So it's I'm on my way, I'm on my way. The family and I are going March to the Cherry Blossom Festival. I cannot wait. Yes, we're all going March.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

That's great, amazing. Yeah, so that's awesome. All right, so um uh you also have a personal mantra that is, I mean, I've never heard it before, and uh, you know, I can't wrap my head around it, so I'd love for you to explain it. You say, always secure a plan C for a plan C. What kind of mindset does that come from and how has that shaped your life? Because I know that when I was um uh you know starting my coaching journey, we would tell people don't have a plan B. Be very sure of your plan A, because when you have a plan B, which means that you're expecting failure. But I've never heard of a plan C for a plan C. Talk to us about that.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Oh, yes. So the plan C is right, having a backup plan, which I love what you said as well, right? But having a backup plan, meaning that there are several things in life that are completely out of our control. So, what is your backup plan for when things happen to you that are out of your control? For example, when I was driving over here today, right? And I said, Oh my goodness, my computer is at the office. But if anything happens, I can pull over at the side of the road and I'll have my laptop with me and I'll just jump on my laptop, right? So that was me saying there are things that can happen that are out of my control. So, how can I have that plan C, the backup to the backup, just in case anything goes wrong?

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Okay, so um uh so explain the plan C for a plan C. I still didn't get that.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Okay, so plan B, right, would be something that just just that that could happen on a regular basis, right? So plan B could be, I mean, we're talking about the internet connection, right? When we when we joined, just making sure so you would have just another computer. You're already assuming that I'm making it to the office, right? Because I have another computer at the office. But what happens if you don't even make it to the office? Are you prepared for not making it to the office? Mm-hmm.

unknown 6:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

So that would be the plan C because you thought it even further than the plan B.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Well, that's good. Okay, so yeah, I mean, uh, that is great for technology, right? But how do you how do you um uh coach someone about having all these plan B and plan C? Are you seeing that um uh it's okay to fail? How is how is that mindset? Tell me about the mindset with that.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Yes, so definitely that. Well, here's the thing: yes and no, right? Is it okay to fail? Yes, it's okay to fail. I see so many patients. We learn the most of our lessons through failure. We try something, it didn't work, and then you learn how to figure it out a different way. You're like, oh, I never looked at it that way before, right? It causes you to get that insight. And so I say to my clients, just the students that are around me, that it is discomfort that leads to success. What happens when you're scrambling because you can't figure it out? You figure out another way. And so that other way is something that you probably would not have even considered had you not been in that situation of discomfort, right? And so that that's pretty much um where it comes from. But also when I'm asking my clients to plan, um, I will say to them, okay, so let's plan. I mean, you call it what you want. One, two, three, A, B, C, whatever it is, you know, the saying is no plan at all is a plan to fail, right? And so having those things to say, guess what? I trust myself because even if A doesn't go right, I have B. And then even if B doesn't go right, I have C. And so I have, I'm a step ahead of it. I know that, you know, some things can go wrong, but if it does, what am I prepared to do? What am I prepared to change? And they absolutely love it because again, our minds are very complex, right? We have all this information coming in and we're trying to deal with so many issues all at the same time. And we've already come up with a resolve, but we didn't write it down. So now we're still recycling the same things. So I say, write it out. You know, what is your greatest fear? Okay, let's move backwards. A, plan B, plan C. And it gives them a sense of calm and the anxiety is kind of like lessened, right? Because now I have a backup from my back.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, I I I I agree with that. I agree with that totally. Um, that you should always have a, you know, and and and yes, you you brought up a good point. Um, you know, I am actually recording on my laptop today because my computer system all of a sudden doesn't seem to want to work. And I have to buy a new one. It's coming tomorrow. So my laptop has always been my backup, right? Um, but yes, because you're right. So, I mean, uh, there's no backup for the internet because you know, whatever. If it don't work, it don't work. But then, you know, for for um things like technology and so you always have a backup. Now, if my book, my computer and my laptop is down, I have to cancel because I certainly don't have a third laptop. We have to get you that third one, right? No, we're gonna have to call and cancel, sorry. But when I was, let's say that we're playing devil's advocate, you talk about students, right? So if a student comes into you for counseling and they say, Okay, I I want this career, right? And if this career doesn't work or whatever, I'll go to this career. And if this wasn't work, you're giving them a plan C. A lot of times, um uh because we're creatures that we don't like to push ourselves, right? They would keep going, I don't care if this one doesn't work. I've got this backup plan, or if this one doesn't work, I have this backup plan. Do you find that that affects people's drive because they always think they've got something to catch them?

SPEAKER_01 10:02

With the students, I haven't found that. Um, I don't believe that it would affect their drive because everything they that they selected came from within, right? It was something that they were passionate about. I I always tell my students, as a matter of fact, find yourself work or a job where you never have to work a day in your life. So, what are some things that you would do right now for free? And I talked to them about myself. I love therapy so much. I love helping, I love what I do. That sometimes I walk out of session and I forget to get paid because I didn't feel like I worked. It's like you did something and you get a bonus for it. Like beautiful. It just feels like there's something extra there because I'm so passionate about it. So when I direct either my students or adults, you know, sometimes we have a second win. I tell my students, it's never too late to grow up and it's never too late to want to be something different, right? And so um, you know, I really encourage them to be intentional about what it is that they're putting their energy into. And because you're students, you have a while. So I love to give them those three options as early as possible. Um, I work with eighth graders going into high school, right? They're doing that transition. And now they're forcing them to pick a career, eighth grade, and then focus on that career throughout high school. And so I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Like, okay, so let's give them exposure to all these things. So then maybe they can narrow it down. But to choose three things intentionally, and so I don't even call it work when I'm working with students like that early, is like, what are things that you enjoy doing? And then from there, I give them occupations that match those interests.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Yeah, yeah. Well, that's good, right? Yes, that's that's very good. Because yeah, I figured I heard you said the word students, and and that's and that's what I picked up on because yeah, but you're right. That was that's excellent. Because if it's coming from a place of passion and it's not coming from, I mean, when my daughter was in school, and when I was in school, you had a guidance counselor that would pick. In fact, I heard something today that I was reading the book, and they're saying that 98% of people don't like their work because they picked it, not the way you're telling people to pick it, by what you're passionate about and what you would do for free. They don't have that choice. A guidance counselor or somebody told them, hey, you know what? Like maybe everyone is going in AI now. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

If you want to make money, here's what you do, you make money. It's like exactly.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

I remember when I picked computers, I picked computers, you know, for my degree because they're saying computers were coming around and and and and you should have, but I didn't have any aptitude to program because that was not my brain set. You know what I mean? So I I I learned computers and then I sold them. Because it wasn't anything, I am not a computer programmer, you know what I mean? It's not my skill set, it's not my mental fortitude, but everybody says you need to learn computers, right? And that's when you, you know, that's the kind of vocation you would go into because somebody says that this is what they look at the highest paid jobs and they're saying, well, this is the one you should go into. And it's not coming from your personal preferences, your personal skill set, or any of that. So yeah, I mean, uh, so if that one doesn't work, then you go to B and then you go to C or whatever, and then you find yourself at 50 years old and you've chosen all the wrong careers, right? But but it's good to have a plan. And you've you're right. Um if you if you don't have no plan, then you plan to fail. So it's good when you're teaching young minds, okay, that you you guide them by at least letting them be aware of the things that they can do or the things that they want to do, and then they put a plan together, and so that's good. So um, all right. So um uh let's transition to mental health now. You mental health is discussed more openly today than ever before, yet anxiety, depression continue to rise. What are the biggest misconceptions people still have about going into therapy? Now, this is you're talking about your adult, yeah, adult clients now. I mean, I don't think you have therapy for the eighth graders, but um I do.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

I see all ages here, but yeah, we'll we can focus on adults, yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Right, right. Um, but yeah, why do you think there's still a stigma, especially in the black community, about therapy?

SPEAKER_01 14:28

So I'm gonna answer this two ways. One, and I'll get to the black community second, right? So I think that there is this, there's this uh understanding that therapy is going to fix you. Right? It's going you're gonna go in, there's a remedy, and you're gonna be fixed without you doing any work, without you being challenged, without you being stretched, without you having homework, without you having to dig into past traumas and hurts, but you're just going to be healed and it should be fast. If you're going in and you buy session two and you still don't feel the change or they haven't fixed you, there's something wrong, right? So that's the first thing.

unknown 15:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Is that therapy is about a collaborative relationship, right? It's about letting the therapist in. It's about feeling safe enough to do that, right? Feeling open enough to be vulnerable and honest about what it is that you're there for. Um, a lot of times people are coming in with presenting problems and they're not being honest originally because they don't have that trusting relationship. And that takes time, right? Just for you to get to know that, hey, I see you, I hear you, I can feel you, I can relate, I understand. Like that takes time to build that relationship. And so just understanding that is going to take time for you to start to see results, and that is also going to take your input and your commitment and your willingness to be self-aware. So there it's a two-party interest, right? It's not just one way. Um, and now going and going shifting into the black community, uh, therapy was always seen as just being for the crazy people, right? Just crazy people therapy. Must be something wrong with you if you go into uh shrink, right? There's something wrong with you. And also, our culture believes that what happens in the family, what happens in the house, stays in the house. So you almost start to feel like you're betraying your family by going and sharing deep, dark family secrets that have only kept you bonded to the trauma instead of saying it, right? Once you say what the trauma is and you own it, you can actually start to heal from it. But if you're hiding it because your family has told you that that is the way to be, otherwise, you're going against the family, you're doing something wrong, you're doing something bad. That's what therapy was considered back then. And so that's what was holding us back culturally. And I'm so, so, so proud to see how far we've come.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Yeah, yeah. You think we've come far?

SPEAKER_01 17:01

I think we have come far. I'm seeing black males. Okay, we we reach everybody, yeah. But I think by doing things like this, right? They see more of our faces, them understanding that, hey, there is some place you can go where you don't have to start from scratch. There's someone who understands your terminology. There's someone who understands that when you had a spanking when you was younger, it wasn't like time to call the people and come and remove, you know. So there's someone who understands that that is the way that we call it. And now what do we do going forward? Right? We have no control of what happened in our past, but what are we going to do moving forward with all of that information, with all of that hurt, with all those experiences? Are we going to now own them and start to heal from them so that we can do better for ourselves and then for the generations after us, right? Are we going to change on them?

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Good job. Good job. Amazing. All right. So our topic today is about resilience. Um, so let's talk about um resilience now. Um, how would you, first of all, how would you define emotional resilience in the context of this conversation?

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Okay, emotional resilience, right? Is that the willingness to keep going even through adversity, the willingness to keep going even after pain, the willingness to continue to see the glass half full, because those are choices, right? That is something that you have to intentionally choose because I I base life off of my experiences. People have been mean to me, so I'm going to be mean to people, right? It is a conscious choice to say, somebody was mean to me, but that wasn't about me. It was about their hurt, right? It was about their stuff. So let me give that back to them and continue being the kind, sweet, uh, considerate person that I am. Right. So resilience is to keep going even through even through all of the terrible experiences that life has thrown your way.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Yeah, yeah, it's very true. And also, um you're right, it's it's a way to, you know, how we process information, because a lot of times, you know, you might want to quit because you're right, someone has been bat and lean to you, or you might want to give up because you've got all this trauma from your past. But, you know, if you reframe it and maybe speak to a therapist and and try to understand um what's going on in your body when you have these feelings and and try to get it out. And I I like what you said. Once you start talking about it and you start you're aware of it and you're trying to process those feelings, you do begin the healing process. So um uh yeah, so that's that's pretty good. And and and emotional resilience doesn't only come from trauma from your past or childhood, it comes from dealing with terrible bosses and people at the workplace and getting through that without wanting to pack up and leave. You know what I mean? So you might want to, but without actually doing it.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Right, right. I packed my stuff today. Okay, I'm gonna take it back out because my build is due next week. So let me take it back.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Exactly. Yeah, because there's a lot of emotional and you know, emotional resilience is required to working some of these offices these days. All right. I'm glad that you brought up trauma because I'm spending a lot of time on trauma now on the show. It's almost becoming like a trauma show. Almost every guest, regardless of the topic, we we seem to come right back to this trauma. It seems to be foundational. So a lot of my listeners have survived childhood trauma. So can resilience coexist with unresolved trauma? I know the answer to this, but you, you know, explain it to our audience.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Um, absolutely, right? Can resilience exist without like taking care of what that trauma was? Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Um, yes, it can. I mean, I'm a living witness of it myself. Um, I had a lot of childhood trauma. My mom was addicted to drugs, and therefore, you know, I was abandoned at an early age and I suffered with a lot of things, such as like depression, um low self-esteem, questioning my self-worth. All of those things exist, right? I know that they're there. I can go open that foul cabinet and start crying if I wanted to. But I've decided to put those things aside and now reach for people who may be experiencing something similar because I know exactly what that feels like, and I know what that can do to someone if they actually let that control their future, right? And so because I know that, because I'm aware of those things, I choose to use that in a positive, healthy way, right? Reaching back, teaching people what their choices look like. Exposure is everything, letting them know that your past doesn't determine your future.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

That's pretty good. Yes, yes. I like the term that you use file cabinet. Because yeah, I mean, I was listening to a podcast the other day, and the women said something so profound is that you know, your your thinking brain or your left brain, whatever happened there, it can't be undone. The only thing you can do is use your right brain to um make choices in the present moment. But whatever is there in your left brain is there, you can't remove it, right? So, yeah, some things like yourself are teaching people how to, yeah, know that that that the trauma is there, right? But what is going on right in front of you right now, right? Because what is going on right in front of you is the present moment, and and people like to go into the past and go into the future, but you're living right now in the present moment. So, you know, being more in control of the of the right brain and and learning to to you, you know, to concentrating your breath and you know, meditation, and they're talking about somatic healing and EFT pad tapping and all those things are trying to bring you back to your body and to bring you back to the present moment. So, yeah, I it was a question that I I just wanted you to answer, but I I knew I knew the answer already because yes, and that is how you get resilient, you feel those bad feelings and you move through them, right? Right. And you don't medicate them, you don't try to push them down because they're still that's another thing I just learned recently too, that when you push them down, they're still there, right? It's like you're suppressing them, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:35

And they're knocking, hello, I'm trying to tell you something. Hello, do you feel this? Hello, pay attention to me. And you're like closing the door, closing the door, and it's still there, right? You have to deal with it, sit with it. I feel this, I know that I feel this. I need to cry, I need to take time to myself, I need to go for a massage, I need to go to the gym, whatever it is that you need to do to center yourself, you know, pay attention to it because it's happening. You're feeling something, and then give your time, give yourself time to sit with it and then move on.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Right. Yes. So that's pretty good. Yes, yeah, exactly. You know, my guests were saying something as simple as going for a walk. Anything that, and everybody can do that, right? Yes, go outside for a walk, right? And um, yes, move through them. Awesome, awesome. All right, well, you know, Jairi, this has been an inspiring conversation. I love it. I can see you're very passionate about your work. And um uh, you know, um, it's it's always good to see people using their own pain to help others because you know they have there's a saying that says, I mean, someone said this to me once, and it's so true, that when they're going for a therapist or they're going for a coach or whatever, they want someone that's been through what they're teaching. They don't want them to read it from a book. So I like the fact that you've got your trauma, you've been through it, and you understand. So you can help somebody because you've been through it. You're not just, of course, you're you're certified and you you get the knowledge, but you're also been through the experience.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

So look how they say, I went through it, I've experienced it. I wrote a book about it. It's from pain to purpose. That's the name of the book, my current past. Um, it was on Amazon and it did well, but it's nice to connect, right? I'm connecting to an emotion. Now, I may not have experienced exactly what you've experienced, but I know what that feels like, right? I know what causes and hurt and and um worry, right? Disappointment. I know all those feelings because I've experienced it.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

You've experienced it, exactly. So when you're talking to someone, you're coming from depth. Yes. So you're coming from depth, and then you your your your training is allowing you how to help them, but you're you you you're coming from depth. So all right, tell our listeners about your book, tell them about your coaching practice, cherry blossom healing. Um, and also, and I understand you're a speaker. Talk to any talk to us about how they can invite you to speak. And if you have any social media handles or anything that you want to share right now.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Thank you. Okay, so I have a book titled My Current Past From Pain to Purpose. And that is about my mom's addiction and how that affected my life growing up as a child. But then the interesting part of that book is that I was becoming a therapist as I was writing that. So as I was educating myself, I was able to go back and insert at the end of every chapter professional discovery. What an aha moment to be able to go back and diagnose yourself and to understand and highlight exactly what you were experiencing and why, right? To connect those dots at the same time. It was the most aha moment for me. And so I am happy to share that journey with you all. Um, again, that's on Amazon, also on Barnes Nobles. You can purchase the book My Current Past. Um, I have a practice in Paramus, New Jersey, Cherry Blossom Healing, gets a counseling practice, um, with a group of multicultural therapists. We talked about the importance of cultural competence, right? To have someone there that you feel like you can connect to, whether it's someone that you need to speak Spanish, um, someone of African descent, something, someone of Muslim cultural, right? So we have a nice repertoire of counselors on hand, and um they're equipped and ready to get you to your, you know, through your healing journey. So we are seeing clients both in person, and here's one of the offices. I know it looks like a background, right? But it's my actual office. Right, right, right, nice.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

I like the yellow couch, a yellow chair is welcoming.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Oh, yeah, thank you. We're also seeing clients virtually, so that expands our reach, right? The virtual platform. COVID came through and gave us all this access. And again, it was a traumatic event that forced us to think differently outside of the box, and then it became the most comfortable thing now for us to do is virtual sessions. I would have never considered changed the whole world. Change the I would have never considered virtual sessions prior to that. Okay. And the next thing is that my social media um handles everything is Cherry Blossom Healing. So you can find me on Instagram, Cherry Blossom Healing, Facebook. Um, I have a LinkedIn profile, Jyre Davis Jones. That's Jyre Davis Jones. And you can email me in case you are interested in any speaking engagements or panels, you know, everything. I'm open to any speaking engagements. You could email me at info at cherryblossomhealing.com. Again, that is info at cherryblossomhealing.com. And I would just love to, you know, hear from you, whether it just be an email with a question about therapy. Maybe you're sitting on the fence about whether or not, you know, it's something that you want to start, or whether you feel that you can share in therapy, or if you had a bad relationship with a therapist and you need some motivation to get back out there, just shoot me an email and I am willing to, you know, speak with you because as you can see, I'm very passionate about the field. I love it, I encourage it, and I want everyone, right? It's not just for the privileged, it is for everyone to have the access to therapy because it is truly like what turns the switch for you, right? It helps you to connect so many dots in life and then plan for how you want that future to look. So again, I'm Jerry Davis Jones. Thank you so much for having me, Myra. It's been great.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Yeah, we had a great conversation. That's beautiful. One last question. So your website is um traybossomhealing.com. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Most important information.com.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Yeah, all right. Yeah, so um I will have a a snapshot, an article of my conversation with Jari on the show page, which is myhelps.us, and I will link out to her website, I'll link out to her book, and also link out to her social media handle so that you can, you know, um reach out to her after this information. I'll also put the email address as well in the show notes. So if you wanted to um email her. But yeah, I mean, uh, this was a good conversation on therapy. It's a good conversation on being prepared, having a plan. You know, we started off by talking about plan A, B, and C, right? And then we transitioned into mental health. So yeah, mental health is is is one of the big topics because yes, so many of us, including myself, you know, had childhood trauma. And um uh yeah, there's a big number, big number. So, you know, when you have childhood trauma, yes, and you have unresolved childhood trauma, it's a totally different thing, then you need to start with a therapist, you need to start talking, and talk therapy is just getting it out, uncorking that bottle and and and start talking about it. Now, I personally believe that talk therapy alone doesn't help, but you need to incorporate some other things, and that's what obviously, you know, um Terry Brosh and you know, coaching helps you, you know, healing, I should say, help you um uh get to because yes, talk therapy I think is just the start of the journey, and then you need to incorporate some other um things into it. So, Jari, it was uh wonderful talking to you. I love, you know, bringing focus and attention to mental health um and you know therapy because you're right. It's um the reason I asked a question about our community is our community feels that right. If if you say you got to go to a therapist, they think that someone is saying that they're crazy or something's wrong with them, right? And then you go to the other side where everybody has a therapist.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

If you don't have one, there's something wrong with you. They're like, Why don't you therapist?

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Everybody has a therapist, it's like it's like a fashion statement, honest to goodness.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

It's amazing, yes, and Myra, I want to add, be wary of a therapist who say they do not have a therapist because if you believe in it, that's right, yes, why don't you have a therapist?

SPEAKER_00 32:29

It's like a coach, you gotta you have to have a coach, right? Yes, so I'll listen to my sessions faithfully, yeah, because you also had trauma, so you're still working through it, or you might have gotten to the other side, but it's still good for maintenance. Yes, let me go to that file cabinet. Yes, exactly, exactly. Awesome. Yes, and I enjoyed our conversation. Thank you guys for tuning in to this week's episode of Transforming Your Mind so you can transform your life. Today we're talking about emotional resilience and trauma and having a plan. All right, so good conversation with Jyre. Make sure you follow her, make sure you reach out to her if anything in this conversation resonated with you. Thank you, Jyre, for being on the show. Thank you guys for tuning in. Until next time, Namaste.